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Post by The metal warrior (NWO) on Aug 5, 2006 15:30:12 GMT -5
same here.
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Post by thewatcher on Aug 5, 2006 16:26:07 GMT -5
You can find me on the Heylin side of this (LOL). Actually, I'm still neutral, and will probably stay that way.
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Post by SpartanGuy88 on Aug 5, 2006 17:07:05 GMT -5
I'm staying neutral also. This doesn't concern me, so I'm not getting involved.
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Post by gasbag on Aug 5, 2006 17:44:30 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe I was going to take your advice at first, but who said I wasn't going to have second thoughts on that. It doesn't matter what I say to you, since you just shoot it out as me playing "THE FRIGGIN' PITY CARD!" I don't care, because I at least admit to it, and understand what I did was stupid. But if I take advice, it should be from only one source, my own parents, not you! Thats the only advice I should take.. nothing more Gasbag. Because I can trust them, unlike you. Ok Josh. The reason I bring up any of this in the first place is because that's all you do. In a way, it makes it even more sick and disturbing that you continue... but whatever. You admit your problems, and you do ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING ABOUT IT. That's like (quick analogy) being on fire, admitting it, and then not doing anything about it. Why? If you know you're on fire, then you're gonna try to put yourself out. The ONLY reason you wouldn't do that, is because you were actually not aware that you were on fire. Which brings me to the pity card. The pity card is not something I just say whenever you run your mouth. The pity card is when somebody gives you advice or something, and then all you do is "admit" your problems to soften them up. This way, you can either change the subject a little more easily, or you can run away without the chance of people following you. and dude... you think I don't have a life because I take an hour or two out of my day to talk about you? The only reason I took action in the first place was because I saw your disturbing paper people videos, which made me think you needed psychological help. Obviously, what you're doing right now is hurting you in some way; some way to make you act like that in those videos. Whether you're conscious of it or not, your videos looked like desperate suicidal cries for help. The fact that I gave you advice and then you just turned your back after 30 minutes is the reason I'm still typing. You wanna talk about lifeless Josh? Hey, I don't spend 12 hours a day PLAYING A FREAKIN MMORPG DESIGNED FOR 7-YEAR-OLDS, AND THEN ROLEPLAY ABOUT IT UNTILL 6 IN THE MORNING ON EFFING MYSPACE WITH PEOPLE UP TO 6 YEARS YOUNGER THAN ME. My friends are above the age of 13, and I can see them without HAVING TO GO TO A DIFFERENT STATE. You're a mess Josh, and anyone's advice has nothing to do with it. You're parents' advice eh? Think about your future Josh. You're parents are pretty dang lenient to let you stay on your computer all day every day like that. I heard they let you make those paper people videos at night. I don't want to dive into further issues that may be causing your behavior, so I won't. But think about it Josh, how much longer d'you think you can keep this up? You're 17 for christ's sake man, you're not gonna be able to live like this. The advice was good advice (which you choose not to take, which is fine, but you should consider the consequences); you need to get a Job, and off of that computer for your own sake. If you don't you're gonna turn out to be some homeless person who rapes little girls. I don't know what people are being "neutral" about, because there's only facts supporting one side of the opinion. If you'd care to balance that Josh, then go ahead.
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Post by blah on Aug 5, 2006 17:52:04 GMT -5
I don't know about you but the start of school, I am going to have a job, I'll be at school and working. Chances are you don't believe me anyways so this is my very last message to you. You have no idea what happens around my house, you don't live close enough to know my recent events.
Haven't you noticed I quit making paper people episodes? Hasn't been a new one in the longest time. I quit them not just because you told me to, but I did it for the good of people, as well as my other crazy obsessions.
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Post by gasbag on Aug 5, 2006 17:57:32 GMT -5
I honestly thought you quit them a long time ago, but the fact that you ever made them didn't make a difference, it was what was already in them. Your behavior was disturbing, and it was obvious that there were problems.
Getting a Job would be considered secondary, especialy since you won't be doing it untill you start school. Right now it's your computer, and the internet; the ego you've built yourself out of BS was, and is out of hand. All you ever did was ask people to draw perverted pictures of you, and roleplay... Heh, you even get your "girlfriend" to do that.
@ness: The reason I got permission is because (if you havn't already noticed) I share many of the same opinions as them. Go back and read what they posted, they all added their own negative experiences. If you look, you'll notice that Netaro is brewing up his own little story about Josh that'll be much more detailed and accurate than mine, as it's from his own personal experience. The point was to inform people, because we felt that people needed to be informed. People are going around missing this guy, and we're wondering why. All the evidence is deleted and he just runs away and talks in private, so nobody gets to witness his problems first hand- people have to tell everyone.
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Post by Tiff on Aug 5, 2006 20:46:09 GMT -5
Hum dee dum... Netaro told me he didn't want this locked right away last night so it shall remain open until whatever.
@ness: Yeah. I gave him permission. I gave it to him because Josh was a huge part of the forum, but nobody really saw him clearly because this forum can be like... "HAPPY HAPPY LAND!" Think about it... if no one had ever critiqued him in the first place, he might still be drawing Josh/Patsy, beating up a keyboard, and doing all sorts of weird things. The thing about the internet... is that even though he seems to have changed from that, he could still be doing this things. I mean, I could easily say that I'm balancing on my head and typing with my toes right now... but that's lies and slander. If I did that, I would get a major headache.
@josh: Look dude. I know this whole thread must really suck for you, but what the majority of us are trying to say is... be serious with your life. Don't take it for granted and waste it on the computer playing games. Online friends rock, yes... but you need to go out and make actual friends. Get hobbies, make new friends, find a girlfriend that doesn't live 2000 lightyears away. I know the last one might be hard but... It's way healthier to be near the one you care about than that far apart. That way, there's some trust going on.
If you don't like what you see here on this thread... then get off it and off the computer and go to the park and enjoy what you see around you. Because everything you'll see there is REAL life. It is what you were placed on this planet to live in. Not Myspace. Not this forum. But LIFE. Do you want to be like this when you're 39? Because if not... then there needs to be some changing going on before then. (The sooner is always better.)
Why should I care what you do with your life? I actually don't because... it's not my life. I am actually more worried about the other members and what will happen to them if they look up to you. I actually love spending my time doing things off the internet. Video games make me nervous and twitchy... The computer gets boring after a while... and Myspace is full of random nasty perverted pedophiles who just randomly ask you to be their friend so they can have 1876038746 friends and be 'popular'. This forum and DeviantArt are the top two sites I'm on... I'll admit, I'm on the computer most of the time when I should be sleeping but hey. This is expected outta a teenie my age during the summer.
I don't know whether you'll reply/care/understand/do what I am trying to get you to do Josh. But whatever. Wow us. Prove to us that Josh the Mongoose fell down a cliff and that he no longer controls you. And if you can't prove it to us... prove it to yourself. And if you do manage to become something in life, look back at your old art, posts, videos, etc, etc... and then come back and look at this thread. Maybe then, just maybe, you'll realize what this whole freakin' year was all about.
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uh... did you like... read my PM I sent you? Because I read the one you sent back.
I'm going to go hang up a poster now. I also have some other preparing to do... I'm going to Busch Gardens tomorrow! cooool.
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Post by gasbag on Aug 6, 2006 0:32:08 GMT -5
Better said than I ever could I guess. Despite all the flaming going back and forth, I think my point (and everyone elses who shares this oppinion) was made. Josh's history has been briefly posted, and plenty of people's perspectives have been posted, so yeah. Josh can do whatever, as long as he knows we all tried to help him at one point.
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Post by nessstar3000 on Aug 6, 2006 0:40:14 GMT -5
^ Yea, which is why I put down "in a non-aggresive way" In other words, sarcasm . (I should of put sarcasm down instead so that way people will understand) You all have very great pointers there, and I see the meanings of all of them. Hope my posts didn't explode anyone out there.
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Post by Tiff on Aug 6, 2006 0:46:59 GMT -5
wait... what are you being sarcastic about? The non-aggresive way thing or the 'dumb meany Netaro' thing? CONFUSION! sdfkljhsad;hfjsdhfks
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Post by nessstar3000 on Aug 6, 2006 0:48:54 GMT -5
I was just playing around, I was just saying dumb and stuff because that's how most people see him as. Again, I was just kidding. (I really gotta get more serious on these type of moments)
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Post by Tiff on Aug 6, 2006 0:52:27 GMT -5
hmmmm... okie dokie. I was just all like "what the freakk" from reading that because like... major confusion. mrrr.
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Post by nessstar3000 on Aug 6, 2006 0:53:14 GMT -5
^ We all get confuse, it's human nature! ^_^
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Post by netaro on Aug 6, 2006 1:15:28 GMT -5
Wow! Talk about old members coming to fight this so-called "war." Okay, if you guys still don't get the purpose of this thread... it's to talk about one of our old members (and part of the forum's history) and what has happened to him after a [good] 8-9 months or so. Althought it was more like a "post yuor opinions" and junk, it somehow get it's way into the "hey! Let's create a big argument and junkage like that!" Of course, a few of us went a bit overboard... while others tried to halt the problem in a way in which another must think about their doings and try to understand what the other is saying. Yeah, this should have been moved to the "chat" section. Heh heh... we make mistakes. So, Josh appears at last... admitting his flaws once again having NO CLUE to what to do. Well Josh, you did say that the only advice you should be listening to is to your parents. Why haven't you been doing so? And talk about bugging Tiff, Sanna, and myself about all this advice you'd disregard anyway. Again, be wise and listen to what you are saying and judge wether or not you sound stupid... or confused. Beleive me, I could relate to the many problems my buddies and you, Josh, have gone through... so I know what's it's like to sometimes feel the urge to just scream. I have no sympathy for you, Josh, because I grew to learn not to have sympathy for select people and junk as one grows to understand more about a person. Hypocrisy is a funny word... and sometimes I wonder if you're stretching the truth... or just lieing to gain respect for those around you in the interweb community. As we have all learned, Josh is viewed differently for each and everyone of us. Sure, some may think it's ridiculous how he has gained false praise and how he's constantly feeling emo to the point where you want to just shove that person unto a juicer and pour it down the drain. Some admire his kindness because that's all they've seen... that's all they've experienced. I have experienced probably more than Sanna, Tiff, or the majority of this forum through my monitor. I've tried to help him when he asked for help, but got denied and recieved countless apologies and the such. Sure... this is my perspective... and I truly believe this kid needs to fix himself fast and pay his buddy Debaser back for the damage he has done. Ness, I don't know you... and you don't know me. The way I type can be confusing to many because it's a unique style that only a few people can grasp at the beginning... and the rest grasp later on as they watch me communicate further. Ness, I can't despise you because I don't know anything about you; You can't despise me because you don't know anything about me. But listen to me when I say this: You state that you will defend your best buddies to the point where you'd do anything, correct? Well guess what, I too have that commitment in me ever since I was in grade 9. I know how to defend myself and defend others when they need it... and I'm there whenever they need me. However, the ONLY time I do NOT help my buddies out is when it's to the point where you're instint tells you that what you are gonna do for them is just BAD. If my buddy told me he was angry and will rob a bank (a cheesy example), then I will NOT help them commit the crime. You, Ness, were involved with the forum-wide "hacker" scare because you were helping your "friend." Think about it... Josh. Josh Josh Josh. You are part of this Forum's history... and a pretty important one as well. Why? Because you have done soo much, that since you've got connections with the mods and admins... you were able to slide. You asked for advice... and now you say you should listen to your own parents. Dude, I didn't even think you had any parents while making all your paper videos and creating all that noise at night in yuor kitchen. I would have thought they'd get pissed off or something. Again, I've been through what you have (sorta). I was just too alone to the point where I craved people to like me... that I turned "emo" during them emo years 2003-2004 jsut to fit in with my emo buddies. I succeeded, yet failed. They weren't really my friends... so I just shut them out and went on with my life... learning from my mistakes and learning what not to do as life goes on. Dude, don't think I don't know how you feel (well... I don't, because like... you are much much MUCH worse) but I know how to avoid people and stoping my problems. Sometimes, however... it's really quite difficult to follow your own advice. Josh, you "understood" that I was angry at you for lieing to me, scaring the people of this forum, and just cluttering us with more problems we really don't have the patience to deal with. Wanna hear the truth? Gasbag was one of them that taught what true friendship was and how certain habits like, "paying for forgiveness" are BS (ugh... that's still hard for me to disregard ). Over the years I've learned from many other people... that's why I'm so good at helping others out (I don't know my sayings though ). Josh, I fell into your politeness as well... and was happy that you didn't have to ask me for anything really. However, you hurt many others... and frustrated many others. Sometimes sorry isn't everything... which comes to the whole "change" dealio. You have NOT proven to anyone that you have changed. It's all talk, dude. Well... to the people who know you best it's all talk. I'll start considering forgiving you once you start paying Debaser back. We'll do some math too! We'll calculate how much you'd earn per month... and estimate the time you'll have enough to pay Debaser back. If you are true to your word about paying him back promptly, I would suggest you not spend any of those earnings to yuorself... but then again you never listen to me. Josh, you have to understand that people can't automatically forgive you when you say sorry (beleive me >_<). You have to be more considerate about other people's opinions... and anticipate what would happen if you make a move. It's really hard for us to beleive you, Josh... and it saddens us that some of the members have already inherted your faults and emo cries for sympathy. We are trying our hardest to fix that... but nothing's working. This thread would help the majority understand... but I doubt the people care about reading the whole thing after seeing how lengthy it is. Beleive it or not, but all gasbag wanted to do was HELP you. He told you you had a chance to redeem yourself and the such... and to stop hiding from the truth and confronting them like a man. Since you no longer want to take the advice for the people who actually "cared" (note... that's conjugated in the past-participle form), then tell your parents everything and ask them how they feel. Tell them about how you would be very graphic with Patsy, cheat on Karen, scare away forum members because you were angry, how you... uh... that time I caught you at a "WRONG" time in exchange for select pictures, and how you would continue after people gave you plenty of advice that we can write a book about. Bleh. This is another reason why I despise the interweb at times. Well... what's done's done. I'm still writing my story (along with the Forum's History story) and I'm still going to post it... possibly in the "non-fiction" part of the writing... board... place. I don't know, I'll figure it out. But I'm still writing it. I'm still going to express my feelings out and let go of it once and for all. I've kept this anger bottled up to the point where I couldn't take it. I need to write it down. Again, Josh and Ness, if you feel I'm "wrong" with everything I've said and all the stuff I've tried helping you with over the past 9-11 months, then make a list and examine yuorselves and see why I've got this negativity in my head. Thank about it and start thinking of the causes and the effects. This concludes gasbag's thread. Thanks dude for expressing your views. Unfortunately a fight happened and this thread should now be locked. However, I'll give this thread a good few minutes before locking it. any last words would be appreciated as well. (Man, did I sound too nice in this post? -_-)
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Post by Sanna on Aug 6, 2006 1:21:30 GMT -5
You can find me on the Heylin side of this (LOL). Raimundo was awesome in XS when he was evil. XD Anyway... I do not want to witness that time again. Overall I'm neutral with what's happening currently and bit intimidated by how messy this thread was becoming. I do have to make myself clear about my disapproval of the past bad happenings back then. I haven't seen enough to be completely convinced about the whole big change but Josh, glad to see at least some improvement and encourage you to continue improving your skills in C++ and programming. Same with Ness. Feel free to send me a friendly PM if you want from time to time. (doh' too slow to post before Netaro. @_@
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